Milk Thistle in PCT – Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) Still a Liver Killer, Despite Hepatoprotective Effect of Silymarin or Ziziphus


Image 1: Silybum marianum, a medical plant that has been used to treat liver disease for >2,000 years and is a staple in many “post cycle therapy” supplements you can current purchase at your favorite supplement store.

Whether or not you are into “performance enhancing drugs” does not really matter. If you have browsed through the range of one of the myriad of on-line supplement vendors, you will have seen them: the “liver protectors”“supplements for liver health”, or simply “post-cycle recovery” supplements. The most common ingredient, you will see on the labels of supplements listed in these or similar categories, is silymarin, a flavonoid complex consisting of silybin (the most active component), silydanianin and silychristin, which is either extracted or simply contained in a crude extract of the seeds ofSilybum marianum, a flowering plant of the daisy family, the manufacturers put into their capsules. While scientists still debate whether and for which type of liver disease(s) the use of the obviously non-patentable (you know that this means that no big pharma company will be willing to acknowledge that it works ;-) flavonoid would be an appropriate treatment option (Loguercio. 2011), generations of bodybuilders may actually have saved their live(rs) from the toxic effect of a highly “underrated” liver-killer, the “bros” know as “Tamox” – the Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM), Tamoxifen, which is the active ingredient in the “anti-breast-cancer drugs” NolvadexIstubaland Valodex.
In a mouse model (using 60 male Balb/c mice), scientists from Malaysia and the Middle-East conducted a 4-week study on the toxicity of orally administered tamoxifen (20mg/kg; HED ~1.2mg/kg) and the potential protective effect of milk thistle or jujube (Ziziphus, a tree from the buckthorn family, and the ‘silymarin of the middle’ east; Shahat. 2011) extracts at 300mg/kg (HED ~24mg/kg; ~2g for an 80kg human). To this ends, the animals were randomly assigned to one out of four 6 groups (Al-Jassabi. 2011):
  1. control - no tamoxifen, no silymarin extract, no ziziphus
  2. silymarin control (SC) - no tamoxifen, 300mg/kg silymarin extract, no ziziphus
  3. ziziphus control (ZC) - no tamoxifen, no silymarin extract, 300mg/kg ziziphus
  4. tamoxifen control (TC) - 20mg/kg tamoxifen, no silymarin extract, no ziziphus
  5. tamoxifen silymarin (TS) - 20mg/kg tamoxifen, 300mg/kg silymarin extract, no ziziphus
  6. tamoxifen ziziphus (TZ) - 20mg/kg tamoxifen, no silymarin extract, 300mg/kg ziziphus
Now, if you look at the actual effects the admittedly high dose of tamoxifen that was administered to the animals (note: while a 100kg bodybuilder would have to take 160mg to achive the same exposure I have seen obviously idiotic recommendations on various boards which suggest starting off your PCT with doses in the 80mg+ range!), I suppose that those of you who have (for whatever reasons) already used Nolvadex & Co. will probably be shocked.
7-12x elevations in transaminase levels (ALT, GPT, GOT), >70% reductions in antioxidant enzymes (SOD, CAT, GSHpx), on average, and the incredible 68x elevation in lipid peroxidation after “only” four weeks of treatment should make every steroid user reconsider, whether a tamoxifen-based post-cycle protocol does not do more harm than good. After all, one of the most common causes of gynecomastia is liver cirrhosis (Swerdloff. 2011), and you will probably agree that taking a drug to “protect” yourself from the estrogen rebound after (or even in the course of a cycle) which has gynecomastia as a possible side-effect of a side-effect does not really make sense.
Moreover, scientific data on the efficiacy of tamoxifen in the treatment of male hypogonadism (which is basically what steroid users will experience at the end of a “cycle”) is pretty scarce, if not non-existent and from a “scientific point of view” clomifene citrate (clomid) would appear to be the SERM of choice, here (cf. Katz. 2011).

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